... on the topic of freedom of expression ...

Ever since I stumbled across Gambas back then, I have been a member of the gambas.one forum, and I have only one thing to say about it:

If someone really does set up a forum based on the “old” gambas.one, I'm out of here… No offense to you, sholzy, but what you're doing and what I want don't go together.

Micha

PJBlack said

Ever since I stumbled across Gambas back then, I have been a member of the gambas.one forum, and I have only one thing to say about it:

If someone really does set up a forum based on the “old” gambas.one, I'm out of here… No offense to you, sholzy, but what you're doing and what I want don't go together.

Micha

From “Our contribution today ... ”, November 27th 2025, 10:48 AM

Please explain what you mean by "what you're doing".

ah ok … i see … i'm not a native english speaker …

read you as this side's functionality and colors

i know you spend a lot of time and work in this side, so i wanted not to offend you. but again, for me the old gambas.one was plenty and all i want and all i need … 

I'm not offended.

Did you know the old site was not much different than what this current site is? The old site had 2 parts - a forum and WordPress. Probably not too many members knew there was more than just the forum. All I did was bring both parts of the old site together to make it just one site, and be able to add more content for members to learn from. When it is time for me to hand this site over to a new administrator, the new administrator will most likely have his/her own idea of how they want Gambas One to be.

I made it known from the start what I wanted to do with Gambas One. I made plenty of posts trying to get members to give feedback - good or bad. I set up a preview site for members to try out and give feedback - good or bad. I got very little feedback which told me most members didn't care as to what I had planned.

The old site and the new site uses the exact same forum editor - the only difference is how the developers set up the editor.

If by "colors", you mean the theme, that is changeable. Creating a new theme is one of the things I have been wanting to do for awhile, but I have not had the time do so.

Posts from this topic have been moved by sholzy on 3:13 PM. 2 posts have been transferred to Posts split from "Our contribution today … ".

Thank you for your long and detailed reply, but

- actually, I don't want to discuss it, I just want the old, boring, ugly gambas.one back

- I couldn't see from your reply why it was necessary to redesign the forum

- Last but not least, you're making the mistake that's popular among young, dynamic, good-looking people of not giving a damn about what others (in this case, the forum members) want. Yes, you posted some information in advance, but you never asked whether the old forum should just stay as it is.

Anyway, my friend, I guess you're right and I'm wrong.

Poly said

@PJBlack : Please stay. You have such a cute avatar, I would really miss it.    

From “Search engine results”, November 27th 2025, 12:40 PM

this little lady's name is Romy or (mostly) battle rat (Kampfratte) or alternatively also bat wookie (Fledermauswookie). she is a miniature Yorkshire terrier and 17 years old. lives together with my other dog and five cats … but she's the boss !!!

Poly … since November 2021, I've been waiting for the gentleman (or lady ???) in the black cloak with a scythe, but somehow he/she must have misplaced my address… which is absolutely fine and can gladly continue like this for a few more years, BUT I don't feel like (and don't have time) spending my life doing things I don't like when I know there's another way.

PJBlack said

Thank you for your long and detailed reply, but

- actually, I don't want to discuss it, I just want the old, boring, ugly gambas.one back

- I couldn't see from your reply why it was necessary to redesign the forum

Like I said before, there were 2 parts to the old Gambas One - a forum and a Wordpress. I brought both of those together into 1 site so I could better manage and add additional content for members/guests to easily access it. Did you know on the old site there was more than just a forum that had content/information?

The old site was not capable of handling what Willy and I had plans to do. The old host was not capable of hosting what we were planning to do. The old forum backend was not the easiest to manage, and it was a constant battle keeping spammers away.  In the last 4 months of the old site I deleted and banned over 200 spammers. Since being on the new site, I've had 1 spammer get through and make a post. The new site is 100 times better at security than the old phpBB forum the old site was using.

I wasn't planning on moving to the new site until some time next year since I had already paid for another year of hosting, but when we started having problems with bots hitting the site and making it difficult to use and the old host was of no help, I had to make a decision to either continue with those problems or make the change early.

PJBlack said

- Last but not least, you're making the mistake that's popular among young, dynamic, good-looking people of not giving a damn about what others (in this case, the forum members) want. Yes, you posted some information in advance, but you never asked whether the old forum should just stay as it is.

Are you saying I am someone who is young and don't care what the members want? I'm in my 60's, if that makes any difference to you. If that was the case, I would have just kept silent and not have made any effort to get feedback from members.

I posted plenty of information, but very few gave any response, or asked questions. If no one responded then I have to believe they didn't care what was going to happen. If people wait until changes happen, it's too late for them to say they don't want the changes.

PJBlack said

Anyway, my friend, I guess you're right and I'm wrong.

From “Post #13,104”, November 27th 2025, 12:54 PM

There is no right or wrong.

sholzy said

it's too late for them to say they don't want the changes.

to make a long story short … so its up to me to change … right??!!

PJBlack said

sholzy said

it's too late for them to say they don't want the changes.

to make a long story short … so its up to me to change … right??!!

From “Post #13,110”, November 27th 2025, 2:33 PM

I'm not going to move the site backwards to the problems the old site had if that's what you are wanting to happen.

If you want to stay - great! If you want to move on to something else  - that's not something I want to happen, but only you can make that choice. If you choose to leave, your account will still be here anytime you choose to log in.

Posts from this topic have been moved by sholzy on 11:44 AM. 1 post have been transferred to Search engine results.

(Edit: Reason: I missed this post when I moved the other search engine issue posts.)

PJBlack said

Thank you for your long and detailed reply, but
- Last but not least, you're making the mistake that's popular among young, dynamic, good-looking people of not giving a damn about what others (in this case, the forum members) want. Yes, you posted some information in advance, but you never asked whether the old forum should just stay as it is.

From “Post #13,104”, November 27th 2025, 12:54 PM

Did you express this opinion before the transfer to the cms?

And to be clear on the history of this forum:
- gambas.one was created because gambas.guru (the former English Gambas forum) was discontinued (somehwere in 2016 I believe). Cogier, a former gambas.guru member, took it upon him to start gambas.one, and some of the old members found their way here, a lot got lost 
- gambas.guru was besides just a forum also a collaboration platform, where multiple projects where activily running and there was a bigger group of active project support by the members
- gambas.one (new edition) is running on same cms as old gambas.guru run on, in the hopes to be more that merly a forum, but also a platform where members activily participate in gambas projects that are public.

gambas.guru was run by Sholzy, so not some young new face in the scene, but someone running the English forum back in the Gambas2 days, probably long before you even dicovered Gambas. gambas.one run by cogier turns out to be an intermezzo so to speak, to get back where the English Gambas forum once was.

Sholzy has:
- given a test period and asked for opinions. not wanting the new cms is an opinion you can give, did you?
- been paying for all the costs of hosting this site, so you have a free platform to use, before cogier payed for it from his own pocket. Did you ever even consider this or do you take all for granted?
- been asking feedback since the transfer and working hard in the background to meet all needs, fix all that's not working, all in his spare time, voluntairly, next to paying for it all out of his own pocket

It seems like he IS the man to make the FINAL call. So, if in a discussion he explains the what's, why's and how's and next closed the topic, he has made his point, desicion taken, discussion closed. 
And meanwhile he is looking into the old posts to fix it, just not how Bruce liked it, and for a good reason. For Bruce it seemed difficult to accept this, that's for him to deal with as it is inside him.

So, what is the problem there? Is the forum all of a sudden a democracy?
Well, if so, it has worked exactly like in a democracy, the ones paying have determined the outcome, just like in real life.
Or do you still believe in the fairytail named democracy, presented to you to make you believe you have a say in matters.

I'm all for free speech and closing a topic because it has been discussed and decided is just the end of a discussion, not a ban on free expression in my opinion, as the expressions have been made, uncensored.
Want to see some real banning on free expression, look at your government (and their overlords in the EU), that's where they are activly working on banning free speech.

I get that this is hard for all those that came to gambas on the old gambas.one forum and that never knew its predecessor, as this forum has become your standard. But the new cms has a lot of possibilities the old forum/WordPress combo simply hadn't. It probably also has some disadvantages compared to the old forum, some because of how its implemented, some because of what you are used to. These latter you can change for yourself if you look into yourself.

That's my opinion on the matter.

Enjoy…